Why vote for Hillary?

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:31 am

CygnusX1 wrote:Obama just stepped in it AGAIN:

Barack Obama and his recently-revealed ties to the Weather
Underground group ...

http://www.newswithviews.com/BreakingNe ... king55.htm

Hmmm...

Unless someone can make that story so simple that a third-grader can understand it, the rest of the media won't touch it.

Big Blue Owl · Post by **Big Blue Owl** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:36 am

"While some people may say that Barack Obama has no control over who endorses him, he should have control over what endorsements are posted on his websites,"

True, that. Lots of crazies, provocateurs, radicals, haters in the world. You have to learn how to dodge them without necessarily making them your enemy.

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:42 am

Well, that settles that. If I ever run fpr president, none-o-youse guys is appearing on my website!

CygnusX1 · Post by **CygnusX1** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:42 am

[quote="ElfDude] Unless someone can make that story so simple that a third-grader can understand it, the rest of the media won't touch it. [/quote]

Sean Hannity and Karl Rove tore him a new asshole with it last night on
H&C...

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:44 am

CygnusX1 wrote:
ElfDude wrote: Unless someone can make that story so simple that a third-grader can understand it, the rest of the media won't touch it.
Sean Hannity and Karl Rove tore him a new asshole with it last night on
H&C...

Okay, I'll change that from "rest of the media" to "mainstream media".

Big Blue Owl · Post by **Big Blue Owl** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:46 am

Or, legitimate media...or not complete dolt media

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:49 am

Big Blue Owl wrote:Or, legitimate media...or not complete dolt media

I know you were just joking around, but you got me to thinking. Legitimate is a very hard thing to qualify these days when it comes to our media.

For purposes of discussion, how do we define it?

Walkinghairball · Post by **Walkinghairball** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:55 am

Doo doo head media works for me.

CygnusX1 · Post by **CygnusX1** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:59 am

Big Blue Owl wrote:Or, legitimate media...or not complete dolt media

it is what it is....some folks will just have to wait for his mugshot and profile on smokinggun.com I guess..

Big Blue Owl · Post by **Big Blue Owl** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:07 am

ElfDude wrote:
Big Blue Owl wrote:Or, legitimate media...or not complete dolt media
I know you were just joking around, but you got me to thinking. Legitimate is a very hard thing to qualify these days when it comes to our media.

For purposes of discussion, how do we define it?

Define it; NOT Hannity

When you can't/won't listen objectively (because one or the other "side" is never 100% right) and just spew with your hand up, fending off any voice or opinion that contradicts your own, that is illegitimate.

Speak to the hand? No, I won't waste my time. 'Sayin'?

CygnusX1 · Post by **CygnusX1** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:13 am

Big Blue Owl wrote:Define it; NOT Hannity

When you can't/won't listen objectively (because one or the other "side" is never 100% right) and just spew with your hand up, fending off any voice or opinion that contradicts your own, that is illegitimate.

Speak to the hand? No, I won't waste my time. 'Sayin'?

They got the goods on him or they wouldn't have made the move.

But hey, I'm just the public servant in the room...

Big Blue Owl · Post by **Big Blue Owl** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:21 am

Yeah, I'm not talking about the possibility that Obama is a wolf in sheep's. Going more for the, "Hannity types are a waste of time and not good enough" sort-of-thing.

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:23 am

Big Blue Owl wrote: When you can't/won't listen objectively (because one or the other "side" is never 100% right) and just spew

So, then Olberman is not legitimate either. Both sides have these types.

But we can't define something as not being something else. Example: How do you define ice cream? Not cheeseburgers!
We've made no progress.

So, what defines legitimate? The big three (ABC, CBS, NBC) call the bloggers illegitimate by claiming that they don't check their sources or their facts. The bloggers will point right back and say, "Who checked up on Bill Burkett and the obviously forged documents used on 60 Minutes?"

Do we define it by audience size? If we do, then newspapers are out because they're losing subscribers by large numbers every year. In fact, with that definition the most legitimate broadcaster would be Rush Limbaugh.

Do we define it by how informed the audience is? According to a PEW Research study, the most informed audience in broadcast media is that of the Rush Limbaugh show.

So I doubt you want either of those definitions.

I find it an interesting subject, having watched the media revolution in the late 90's with fascination.

How do we define legitimate media?

Big Blue Owl · Post by **Big Blue Owl** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:32 am

I guess I left out Limburger because I don't even consider him to be human. I was listening to this genius the other day and he was SPEWING about how bad and weak and horrible people are who get "seduced" into drug use. I was just....speechless! How can he be so boldly stupid? Hypocrite! Heeeeee is a drug addict! Doctor-shopper, using your wealth to get past the law.

ElfDude · Post by **ElfDude** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:37 am

Big Blue Owl wrote:I guess I left out Limburger because I don't even consider him to be human. I was listening to this genius the other day and he was SPEWING about how bad and weak and horrible people are who get "seduced" into drug use. I was just....speechless! How can he be so boldly stupid? Hypocrite! Heeeeee is a drug addict! Doctor-shopper, using your wealth to get past the law.

Coming out of back surgery and becoming dependant on your pain meds is hardly the same thing as going out and partying with crack and heroine.

No charges of doctor shopping were ever filed. Yeah, they appeared in the National Enquirer, but investigtors never found evidence of it.

Is the National Enquirer legitimate media?