New war coming soon to a theater not near you

[ElfDude]

It is looking more and more like war with Iran is inevitable and without us ever having to lift a finger too.

In his speech at the U.N. yesterday the president of Iran prayed three times (imagine the press reaction if Bush had done that).

I have been looking at newspages online and in my local paper too, not one thing said about how he should keep his religion out of the public square or how intolerant he is because he has a faith. I do believe that if Bush had done the same thing, there would be great backlash, IF the UN had allowed him to continue.

Dubya said some months ago...even a YEAR or so ago on a TV interview, that they WILL NOT possess a device....I think we can do the math after that.

I know he doesn't want it to happen. And he's not in denial about what's going on over there. And for that he is labled (sp?) a fear-monger. This is one time the country so needs to be unified. This shouldn't be a left or a right thing. This is a live or die thing. A "what kind of world do we pass on to our kids?" thing. We can argue about abortion and gun rights and taxes and social security and gay marriages and all that stuff. But we really ought to be united about this.

[Me]

2005 was recorded the warmest year in history by NASA watch this year is going to be worst. With the run away global warming we are going to see more conflicts over resources, as we have already released too much CO2 in the atmosphere. The genocide in Darfur is in part due to desertification, scarcity of water. I think we have a responsibility to help these people, seeing in part it was our actions that created the problem in the first place. The U.N> came about to help people that can?t help themselves, so far they have not done very much as the local governments tie their hands, so to speak. Most conflicts are about sustainability, greed, power, ideologies concerning religion sometimes being used as a cloak, People need to divorc? the idea of religious conflicts. There is always more than meets the eye we have to be able to read between the lines sometimes and of course there are fanatics no matter where it is you go. Did you know that there are over 2 billion people living under the poverty line in the world and many of those don?t have clean drinking water? That America lets in around one hundred and fifty thousand Iranians every year to educate them. Do you also know that we have the technology to desalinate water, grow better crops in harsher conditions you ever wonder why it doesn?t happen we do nothing to help these people. Some are good at getting our attention other places than where it should be. At any rate it is a sad state of affairs and wish most people want a good education an economic future they don?t want conflicts but there governments puts them in that position so sometimes the only way is fight and as an American I for one believe others should have the same opportunities as I do good medical care, food, etc also if we don?t stop burning fossil fuel perhaps there will be just a couple hundred survivors left in the far reaches of the north to start it all over again. There is no future without nature and perhaps one good idea would be to limit child birth. I waffled on enough I?m buying Neil?s new book an escape from it all for awhile and as soon as I have my operation I?m buying me another new motorcycle and start living and yes it is going to be a sweet BMW

Correction....when I have the money for that BMW

[Me]

If Iran gets nuclear weapons, there will be big trouble. In his speech at the U.N. yesterday the president of Iran prayed three times (imagine the press reaction if Bush had done that). In the last prayer he prayed for the coming of the 12th Imam (or however you spell it)... in other words, the end of the world. He believes it's coming within the next two years and he's willing to do whatever it takes to start it.

So, the question is; how do we go about preventing Iran from getting nukes and then using them on Israel and then on us?

Can we prevent it by talking to them? Well... we could probably fool ourselves into believing that for a while. See Neville Chamberain's comments praising Hitler and how cooperative he was during their peace talks to understand what I'm talking about. But in the end, Iran has nukes.

Can we prevent it with UN sanctions? You don't need to dignify that with a response. UN sanctions and resolutions have a record that speaks for itself.

Could we bomb the snot out of the country? Well, yeah. But there are a lot of ugly repercussions to that.

So what's the best idea? My favorite would be to try to change the country from within. To turn the hearts of the population away from wanting to be led by insane religious zealots and instead have some freedom. When people see freedom, they tend to want it for themselves. And though it takes a number of years to figure out how to get a fledgling democracy running smoothly, it can certainly be worth the effort. Just ask Japan.

If you go back to 2003 and look at George Bush's speeches in the buildup to the Iraq invasion, read between the lines. As a politician he couldn't talk about Iran back then, but if you read between the lines of those speeches ("changing the face of the middle east" and all that stuff) you can see Iran all over the place. Iran now has freedom to the left and to the right of it. The grass has got to look greener over those fences if you're just a normal citizen there with no special priviledges. It's got to look really good.

Is it too little too late? Dunno. The president there is just a puppet of the Ayahtollas (spelling?), but they (ther president and the religious leaders of the country) WANT war. To fulfill a great prophecy they WANT to destroy Israel and then take out as much of the west as they can. I know at the U.N. yesterday he talked about peace but he can be quoted LOTS of other places to the contrary. The fact that this will bring death and destruction to their country is not a deterrent. That's one of the big differences between this and the cold war.

Is it too late to change the country from within? In my little opinion it kind of looks like it. Do I applaud W for being the first guy in a long long time with that kind of foresight and determination to try it anyway? Sure. And it was smart in other ways too. Liberating Iraq was a good thing to do. Entire villages there are no longer being bruned by Saddam. Mass graves are no longer being filled with people killed by Saddam's chemical weapons. And from a strategic standpoint, we now have a presence on both sides of Iran.

I do not believe we will make the first strike. Bush knows he hasn't got the political capital to try it. I don't know if we'll be attacked again before the 2008 elections or not. Attempts have been made but we keep thwarting them (darn Bush and Blair!!!). If we are, then we'll fight back. If not, and if the new president is someone like John Kerry, Al Gore, Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, or whatever, we will be told that the nation is safer and we'll be working on rebuilding our image around the world. We'll start talking and negotaiting with these terrorist countries and it will all feel so good and the news agencies will praise the "progress". Then we'll be bombed and we'll have to fight back. And Bush will be blamed for not having done enough before 2008 to protect us.

Good commentary
Elfdude... just a hectic whirl in a large complictaed world.

[ElfDude]

Okay... this isn't quite on the Iran topic, but a little freaky anyway...

Exclusive to Canada Free Press and Northeast Intelligence

Next Attack Imminent:
Muslims ordered to leave the United States

By Paul L. Williams

& David Dastych

Saturday, September 16, 2006

Urgent news from Abu Dawood, one of the newly appointed commanders of the al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan:

Final preparations have been made for the American Hiroshima, a major attack on the U. S.

Muslims living in the United States should leave the country without further warning.

The attack will be commandeered by Adnan el Shukrijumah ("Jaffer Tayyer" or "Jafer the Pilot"), a naturalized American citizen, who was raised in Brooklyn and educated in southern Florida.

The al Qaeda operatives who will launch this attack are awaiting final orders. They remain in place in cities throughout the country. Many are masquerading as Christians and have adopted Christian names.

Al Qaeda and the Taliban will also launch a major strike (known as the "Badar Operation" against the coalition forces in Afghanistan during the holy month of Ramadan.

The American people probably will be treated to a final audio message from Osama bin Laden which will be aired some time later.

The announcements from Abu Dawood were obtained by Hamid Mir, the only journalist to interview Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Taliban leader Mullah Omar in the wake of 9/11. Mir earlier reports regarding the resurgence of the Taliban with support from Iran and Russia and an unofficial truce (reported by some Western sources) between President Pervez Musharraf and al Qaeda have been panned out by the press in recent months.

Mr. Mir interviewed Dawood (no specific date indicated) at the tomb of Sultan Mehmud Ghaznawi, on the outskirts of Kabul. Dawood and the al Qaeda leaders who accompanied him sported short beards and were dressed casually, for disguise. The al Qaeda commander had contacted Mir by cell-phone to arrange the meeting. The contents of the encounter are as follows:

Q: How did you have my local mobile number?

A: We watched you on Geo TV walking in the mountains near Kabul with British troops. You were embedded with our enemies. We were sure that you are staying in one of the few hotels or guest houses in Kabul. We were looking for you in Serena and Intercontinental hotels, but then some Taliban friends informed us that they had your phone number and you might visit them in Zabul [an Afghani province]. We got your number from Commander [Muhsen] Khayber. [Khayber was responsible for a homicide bombing in Casablanca that killed 32 people]. Don't worry about that. We will not make any harm to you. We just want to warn you that you better don't take any rides in the tanks and humvis of the Western Forces; they are not safe for any journalist in Afghanistan.

Q: Thanks for your concern; can I know your name?

A: Yes my name is Abu Dawood, if you remember, we have already met in Kunar two years ago, but at that time I had a long beard, now I have a small one. You were there in the mountains, close to Asadabad [a small village in the Kunar province of eastern Afghanistan] and you met some Al Qaeda fighters. I was among them.

Q: OK. I just want to say that I am a journalist, I have to speak to both sides of a conflict, for getting an objective view and that is why I was traveling with the British troops; now I am sitting with you and that is my real job. I have interviewed Osama bin Laden as well as Condoleezza Rice, General Pervez Musharraf and President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan. I hope you will appreciate my objective approach?

A: You have claimed to be objective, but you and your TV channel have always given much time to the propaganda of our enemies. Anyhow, it was our moral responsibility to warn you that you better try to avoid traveling with the British, American, Canadian, French, Spanish and Italian troops in Afghanistan, we will target all of them, we don't want that people like you suffer by our attacks, it is not good for you, and at least you should not be killed with the enemies of Islam. I am sure, brother Khayber have informed you that the Taliban will launch a big operation against the Crusader Forces, in the holy month of Ramadan; don't come to Afghanistan in Ramadan. You will see a lot of fadaee amalyat ["suicide bombings"] in the coming days, Kabul will become a graveyard of NATO and ISAF.

Q: Yes Khayber told me about the "Badar Operation" in Ramadan. I think you are an Afghani but you are not a Talib, are you a member of Al Qaeda?

A: You are right. But we are with the Taliban, just helping them, fighting under their command. Every Al Qaeda fighter can become a Talib, but every Talib cannot become Al Qaeda.

Q: So where is Sheikh Osama bin Laden?

A: I don't know exactly, but he is still in command of Al Qaeda, and he is in contact with his Mujaheddin all over the world.

Q: Why there was no new video statement from him, in last two years?

A: Because the CIA can feed his fresh picture to the computers fitted on their Predator planes, and these planes can get him, like Nek Muhammad or Akbar Bugti. But he has released many audio messages this year. Listen to him carefully. Don't underestimate his warnings. America is playing with the security of Muslims all over the world, now it is our turn again. Our brothers are ready to attack inside America. We will breach their security again. There is no timeframe for our attack inside America; we can do it any time.

Q: What do you mean by another attack in America?

A: Yes a bigger attack than September 11th 2001. Brother Adnan [el Shukrijumah] will lead that attack, Inshallah.

Q:Who is Adnan?

A: He is our old friend. The last time, I met him in early 2004, in Khost. He came to Khost from the North Waziristan. He met his leaders and friends in Khost. He is very well known in Al Qaeda. He is an American and a friend of Muhammad Atta, who led 9/11 attacks five years ago. We call him "Jaffer al Tayyar" ["Jafer the Pilot"]; he is very brave and intelligent. Bush is aware that brother Adnan has smuggled deadly materials inside America from the Mexican border. Bush is silent about him, because he doesn't want to panic his people. Sheikh Osama bin Laden has completed his cycle of warnings. You know, he is man of his words, he is not a politician; he always does what he says. If he said it many times that Americans will see new attacks, they will definitely see new attacks. He is a real Mujahid. Americans will not win this war, which they have started against Muslims. Americans are the biggest supporters of the biggest terrorist in the world, which is Israel. You have witnessed the brutality of the Israelis in the recent 34-day war against Lebanese civilians. 9/11 was a revenge of Palestinian children, killed by the US-made weapons, supplied to Israel. The next attack on America would be a revenge of Lebanese children killed by US-made cluster bombs. Bush and Blair are the Crusaders, and Muslim leaders, like Musharraf and [Afghani President Hamid] Karzai are their collaborators, we will teach a lesson to all of them. We are also not happy with some religious parties in Pakistan and Egypt, they got votes in the name of Mujaheddin, and then, they collaborated with Musharraf and [Egyptian President] Hosni Mubarak. Now look at all of them, Musharraf and Karzai don't trust each other, the CIA and ISI don't trust each other, all the hypocrites and enemies of Mujaheddin are suspecting each other; this help to us is coming from Heavens. Allah is with us.

Q: But if you attack inside America again, then Muslims living in America will face lot of problems, why would you like to create new problems for your brothers and sisters?

A: Muslims should leave America. We cannot stop our attack just because of the American Muslims; they must realize that American forces are killing innocent Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq; we have the right to respond back, in the same manner, in the enemy's homeland. The American Muslims are like a human shield for our enemy; they must leave New York and Washington.

Q: But your fighters are also using the American Muslims as their shield, if there are no Muslims in America, then there would be no Al Qaeda, may be the Americans would feel safer?

A: No, not at all. We have a different plan for the next attack. You will see. Americans will hardly find out any Muslim names, after the next attack. Most of our brothers are living in Western countries, with Jewish and Christian names, with passports of Western countries. This time, someone with the name of Muhammad Atta will not attack inside America, it would be some David, Richard or Peter.

Q: So you will not attack America, until Muslims are there?

A: I am not saying that, I am saying that Muslims must leave America, but we can attack America anytime. Our cycle of warnings has been completed, now we have fresh edicts from some prominent Muslim scholars to destroy our enemy, this is our defending of Jihad; the enemy has entered in our homes and we have the right to enter in their homes, they are killing us, we will kill them.

[awip2062]

If this transcript is true then we have quite the time ahead of us here in America soon.

[CygnusX1]

If this transcript is true then we have quite the time ahead of us here in America soon.

don't forget that they feed on FEAR as well. don't believe the hype....

think of something comical....like the way Chavez made a complete ass out of himself in front of the UN....yeah....that's the ticket.

[ElfDude]

Dude... Al Qaeda (Bin Laden in particular) doesn't make idle threats. He has always followed through on his threats. Whether or not it's true that the nuke is already here, they're going to try their best to do what was stated. I'm not gonna blow it off. But I'm sure going to hope that our intelligence agencies can thwart the plan.

[awip2062]

Fear? Well, although I do not doubt they want to harm us, I go about my life as usual.

Pray, however, I shall.

As for Chavez...I think many will not find his behaviour anything but comical. I think many will agree with his description of Bush, and the US. Seems Chavez learnt well from Castro.

[CygnusX1]

Fear? Well, although I do not doubt they want to harm us, I go about my life as usual.

Pray, however, I shall.

As for Chavez...I think many will not find his behaviour anything but comical. I think many will agree with his description of Bush, and the US. Seems Chavez learnt well from Castro.

that's exactly what I meant t...I can't comment (from here...a no no) about it anyway, but yeah..ya gotta live your life.

[Me]

Fear? Well, although I do not doubt they want to harm us, I go about my life as usual.

Pray, however, I shall.

As for Chavez...I think many will not find his behaviour anything but comical. I think many will agree with his description of Bush, and the US. Seems Chavez learnt well from Castro.

that's exactly what I meant t...I can't comment (from here...a no no) about it anyway, but yeah..ya gotta live your life.

What do you mean Cyg (from here....a no no) I'm just busting your balls buddy. I know, I know kind of funny though.

[CygnusX1]

Fear? Well, although I do not doubt they want to harm us, I go about my life as usual.

Pray, however, I shall.

As for Chavez...I think many will not find his behaviour anything but comical. I think many will agree with his description of Bush, and the US. Seems Chavez learnt well from Castro.

that's exactly what I meant t...I can't comment (from here...a no no) about it anyway, but yeah..ya gotta live your life.

What do you mean Cyg (from here....a no no) I'm just busting your balls buddy. I know, I know kind of funny though.

Uncle Sugar knows where I work.

[awip2062]

Uncle Sugar knows where we all work.


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